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J. Krishnamurti – Ojai 1982 – Discussion with Scientists 1 – Roots of psychological disorder



J. Krishnamurti – Ojai 1982 – Discussion with Scientists 1 – Roots of psychological disorder

Summary:

Q: What is the source of psychological disorder?

Is not the self the beginning of all disorder?

I have created society through my anxiety, through my desire for security, through my desire to have power. Like the animal. It’s biologically inherited. Also my own individualistic activity has created this society. Is it possible to be free of my conditioning?

If my relationship with life is not “right” how can I find out something that’s immensely beyond all this, beyond time, beyond thought, beyond measure?

Will knowledge transform me?

Is there a deep, abiding security?

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Some Toughts (50)

  1. Avatar
    added on 19 Aug, 2020
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    Genius

  2. Avatar
    added on 22 Aug, 2020
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    Enlightenment is a rare phenomena.

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    added on 22 Aug, 2020
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    Love Krishnamurti. If you ever read his biography which is fascinating you will see that he was specifically reared to be the "messiah" and highly trained in various ways until he decided to discard it all and walk away. But you could say ge reached enlightenment and when you reach enlightenment you no longer need anything. But he never seems to acknowledge that although it is an instantaeneous event, looking inside and finishing with it, it still takes time and all kinds of methods to learn HOW to go inside and look at yourself…. yes people get carried away and become attached to their religions or dogmas etc… but Buddhism for example teaches exactly what he teaches, there is no saviour in Buddhism, it says 'there is suffering'.. 'there are causes to the suffering'.. 'because there are causes there is an end to suffering'.. 'therefore there are ways to end suffering'… so i started with Krishnamurti and ended up in Buddhism because it acknowledges that it will take different amounts of time for different people before the penny finally drops. Plus you have to really learn and see for yourself where you continue to perpetuate your own suffering. 🤔

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    added on 24 Aug, 2020
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    J Krishnamurti wants to kill conflict among people, but whats wrong in conflict ? the more deep question may be what is right and what is wrong ? they probably did not reach on real discussion.

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    added on 24 Aug, 2020
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    34.00

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    added on 27 Aug, 2020
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    What about being naked? we are conditioned not to be naked, can we get rid of it? It is different from pain, which is impossible to get rid of. But being naked won't affect any such thing, but we can't get rid of the clothes and walk in a street.

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    added on 28 Aug, 2020
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    I really love Sheldrake but I feel like he might be struggling the hardest here

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    added on 28 Aug, 2020
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    Annoying because Krishnamurthy keeps changing the premises off the discussion so he can keep control of it. A real inquirer would allow others to complete their thoughts and arguments. Frustrating, because the other minds there are genuine in their participation, he just has a knee- jerk need to win an argument, any argument, by continually changing the terms of the discussion.

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    added on 30 Aug, 2020
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    Would you do ore would you follow?

  10. Avatar
    added on 30 Aug, 2020
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    Free will (choose otherwise) verses determinism (conditioning) tends towards a philosophical circularity. Materialists favor conditioning, though soul theorists favor free will.

  11. Avatar
    added on 30 Aug, 2020
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    Ha ha ha ha ha ha The Self Is The Expressive Nature. Without Heart, yes, it is exclusive, instead of respectfully inclusive.

  12. Avatar
    added on 31 Aug, 2020
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    Interesting I can listen this many times

  13. Avatar
    added on 31 Aug, 2020
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    These poor scientists. Their grace and patience is formidable. Lol.

  14. Avatar
    added on 31 Aug, 2020
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    This is called A Dialogue of Wise people. Not a trash talk show among so called intellectuals in present days

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    added on 2 Sep, 2020
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    Krishnamurti is the Jimi Hendrix and Coltrane of philosophy

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    added on 3 Sep, 2020
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    I don't agree Mr. Jiddu saying the mother forgets the pain of childbirth. I know of many women who don't and they remember the pain everytime the topic of birthing another child is brought up and refuse to have another baby

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    added on 5 Sep, 2020
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    The MAN!

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    added on 7 Sep, 2020
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    I’m 7 minutes in, and although I will enjoy this discourse, I feel these scientists have already got off on the wrong foot; language. “Suffering”? If I were look in my cells, would I see “suffering”? Would I see my name? I don’t think so.

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    added on 7 Sep, 2020
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    if possible please add subtitles..

  20. Avatar
    added on 7 Sep, 2020
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    jiddu wants human emancipation where as others have no goals in mind…

  21. Avatar
    added on 9 Sep, 2020
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    The way Jiddu question the preamble of how to be a Human being is really ingenious.

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    added on 9 Sep, 2020
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    Life is about being yourself ( see, feel or touch)… example when you die your life ends. I can only play my part being selfless and help other life to see through his or her anonymity. Life is only what I can see and death cannot be seen.

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    added on 11 Sep, 2020
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    In 1987, I was diagnosed with type 1 Bipolar Disorder (aka manic depressive illness). I have been hospitalized in psychiatric hospitals on numerous occasions. Before this year, the last time I was hospitalized for a manic episode was in June of 2000.

    My identification as a separate self has been dissolving but evidently was not completely evaporated because I had another manic episode in June of this year. Interestingly, I can validate from personal experience that identification is the ultimate cause of all psychological disorder and suffering.

    I have sat in this room at the Krishnamurti library and have been exploring nonduality with a nonduality teacher called Sailor Bob Adamson who I was introduced to by a Hale Dwoskin who taught me a letting go technique called the Sedona Method.

    My happy ending to the story of my most recent manic episode was that my delusions of grandeur (one symptom of bipolar disorder) fell away without the support of medicine in my second night of hospitalization and I attribute that to the following question which arose in my head:

    If I don’t go to an imagined past or focus on a body/mind/story (which I know I am not), can I find the separate self or entity who can be special, grand, worse, or better than anything or anyone else?

    The answer to the above question always returns my mind to the nothingness that I truly am and dissolves any sense of self. I highly recommend that question if you ever catch yourself not being able to release psychological suffering.

  24. Avatar
    added on 11 Sep, 2020
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    One request plz don't criticise other people . They are very nice thorought the talk , respect for everyone.

  25. Avatar
    added on 12 Sep, 2020
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    At the start of this, K. made the fundamental point about self-centredness being the main problem with mental illnesses and therefore constant suffering of humans. Yes, I thought, that is it! Then the scientists completely ignored it. We are partly animals, but we go beyond that stage, surely.

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    added on 14 Sep, 2020
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    Wow wow wow, dude just shook the spine of all of them 😦

  27. Avatar
    added on 14 Sep, 2020
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    Podcasting before it was cool.

  28. Avatar
    added on 14 Sep, 2020
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    Humanity is inextricably bound to its conditioning tethers. It is simultaneously exalting its members and dragging them under. The notion that the entirety of humankind shall one day, in this mortal plane, achieve enlightenment is folly.

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    added on 15 Sep, 2020
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    Collectives cannot collectively think, act and speak in the way Krishnamurti is advocating…in an individualistic way…it's paradoxical and yet ironic that each and every individual is a part of a collective that thinks, acts and speaks in the same agenda and protocol.

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    added on 17 Sep, 2020
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    an anarchist society extended to animals and nature would most likely eliminate the obstacles discussed here

    IIn my humble opinion it is matter of a real human education where the child would be fully respected

    But by the time being this is an utopia, unfortunately

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    added on 17 Sep, 2020
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    Psychologist confused psychologically😂 to Krishna Murthy

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    added on 17 Sep, 2020
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    do you hear that? it's called silence; silence to think about a reasonable answer, silence to ponder on what has just been said….. someone said once: "listen to silence, it has so much to say"

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    added on 18 Sep, 2020
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    The old man in the blue shirt is really deeply philosophical and insightful. He nicely continues to ask provocative but insightful questions. This is great to watch.

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    added on 18 Sep, 2020
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    the nature of chaos and order in nature can see in self-suffering but the self-centered humans won't see a thing in this constructed cultural dilemma – a fundamental change is a change coming within. It is a contradiction to this conditioned society-the society won't let you do anything cos of the conditioning. Change is freedom and self-awakening freedom can threaten the conditioned society as a whole- which is very contradictive rather they say radical in west-irony of a false society

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    added on 19 Sep, 2020
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    Fascinating to see three great minds completely stumped by Krishnamurti's enquiry. He asks the fundamental questions that we are uncomfortable contemplating, because we are, by and large, completely bound by our mental constructs.

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    added on 20 Sep, 2020
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    He should of followed his theosophical instructors though cause even though he is really enlightened he lacks the real proper soular impress of intelligent exposition as did Blavatsky in my opinion. He was a young disciple of a serious individual before he broke away with a strong belief theosophy became a fixed system but if u have a problem with something that sensitive there is no way u can live save as a god or beast or human. Knowledge is the way to understand and operate in the world in an immortal body.

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    JK makes listeners deep into the meditative state, which is out of self

  38. Avatar
    added on 21 Sep, 2020
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    Thank You, love and kindness both do matter too!!

  39. Avatar
    added on 21 Sep, 2020
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    Everyone can learn a lot from this host. Like today's host..

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    added on 22 Sep, 2020
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    This is a real debate. It helps us to think with no hurry, with honest dedication. Thank you very much for sharing!
    Este es un verdadero debate. Nos ayuda a pensar sin prisas, poniendo una dedicación verdaderamente honesta. ¡Muchas gracias por compartir!

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    added on 23 Sep, 2020
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    I may be overthinking it well in this case over feeling it which reveals more than I bargained for while watching this. To really sit here and watch this video file with zero bias seems to be really an experiment of hope. With that said – entering this video with the capacity to know their is in fact a strong potential for our emotional hinge to seek a union and still be baffled by Krishnamurti and his final point is something to either accept or reject.

    In the end it's a strong point, possibly diabolical therefore uncomfortably left, in how we as individuals who are by nature divisible still have a longing need to hold unshakable proofs of life.

    Practical questions posed in a context in my suspicion where it may not have gone.

  42. Avatar
    added on 23 Sep, 2020
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    They don’t get it Sir 🙏 you may want a enquiry with Freud!

  43. Avatar
    added on 24 Sep, 2020
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    holy i just stumbled upon gold

  44. Avatar
    added on 26 Sep, 2020
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    Krisknamurti hasn't gt a clue abt depression. Depressed people wants to hide away because there too depressed to speak. It's easy to say he never had it. A fool

  45. Avatar
    added on 26 Sep, 2020
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    It's like watching paint dry, listening to him.

  46. Avatar
    added on 26 Sep, 2020
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    Very nice 👍 funny insightful. Separation is an illusion. Transform the current condition enough to become completely free from it.

  47. Avatar
    added on 27 Sep, 2020
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    Kri. is owning these

  48. Avatar
    added on 27 Sep, 2020
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    Vi stanno distraendo mentre l'Inps sta fallendo

  49. Avatar
    added on 28 Sep, 2020
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    Modify selfishness…..and then uncomfortable conversation….. then resistance

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    added on 29 Sep, 2020
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    What is the purest form of self – centrists in addition individual self ?

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