J. Krishnamurti – Ojai 1982 – Discussion with Scientists 2 – Psychological suffering

J. Krishnamurti – Ojai 1982 – Discussion with Scientists 2 – Psychological suffering


What is security?

I have an image about myself. I am a great cook, a great scientist, a great carpenter, whatever you will. I have got that picture in myself and you come along and put a pin into it. And that gets hurt, the image gets hurt. The image is me.

What is a human being?

You are not basically different from me. You may be tall, you may be born in England, I may be born in Africa, I have dark skin, but deep down, the river, the content of the river is the water. The river is not an Asiatic river or European river, it is a river.
Love is not English, American or Indian. Agony is not yours or mine, it is agony. But we identify ourselves with agony – it is my agony, which is not yours. Why do we want to identify with something?

Is there a learning about oneself which is not constant accumulation about myself?

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Some Toughts (20)

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    added on 22 Sep, 2018

    Perfect subtitles

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    added on 2 Aug, 2020

    Falsch. Tiere erinnern sich sehr wohl. Wer eng mit Tieren lebt weiß es. Tiere werden hier vollkommen unterschätzt. Zum Beispiel Hunde. Sie erkennen immer wieder Freunde und Feinde. Ein Hund schaut noch nach mehreren Monaten immer wieder in die Grundstückseinfahrt, wo sein Spielkamerad gewohnt hat. Ein anderer bleibt wie angewurzelt stehen und rennt erst einem geworfenen Stock nach, wenn dieser zu Boden gefallen ist, weil er bei einem sofortigen Hinterherlaufen einmal von einem am Kopf getroffen wurde. Elefanten rächen sich noch nach Jahren an einem Peiniger. Krähen lösen ihnen unbekannte komplizierte Mechanismen mit bereit gelegten Hilfsmitteln, um an Futter zu kommen Affen erkennen Zahlenfolgen am PC schneller als Studenten usw.
    Menschen müssen endlich aufhören Tiere als unbedarfte nur nach angeborenen Verhaltensmustern lebende Wesen anzusehen. Tiere sind viel mehr, vor allem auch fühlende und leidende Individuen. Zudem wenn Krankheiten rein auf unterbewussten verdrängten, nicht bearbeiten Seelenzuständen beruhen, wie einige behaupten, dann dürfte kein Tier krank sein, da ihnen ja eine Seele und Bewusstsein abgesprochen wird. Viele Theorien und ebensoviel Gegensätzliches. von vielen Theoretikern, egal ob Wissenschaftler, Religiöse, Spirituelle, Esoteriker und wer auch immer. Die Wahrheit liegt immer noch im Verborgenen, wäre es nicht so, dann hätten wir schon längst Lösungen, die begreifen und Allen helfen könnten, jenseits von ärztlicher Heilkunst.

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    added on 4 Aug, 2020

    Leave him alone! Lol

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    added on 4 Aug, 2020

    Need tips on how to not fall asleep during meditation.

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    added on 7 Aug, 2020

    He speaks anglish

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    added on 9 Aug, 2020

    Krishan ji looks like only king in the conversation leaving everyone speech less

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    added on 11 Aug, 2020

    I'm a responsible human…superb discourse by JK

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    added on 13 Aug, 2020

    He says such great and deep things, seems to know how to dissolve anger and violence completely but then I don't understand why there is so much aggression in the way he talks. He stresses words so much, it seems totally aggressive like he is so frustrated that people don't get what he's saying. If he has succeeded in dissolving aggression within himself, why doesn't his speech sound kind and loving? Why does he always cut in when others are talking? Why doesn't he have an air of peace and contentment?

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    added on 13 Aug, 2020

    Les actes symboliques spécifiques font sortir les blessures

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    added on 13 Aug, 2020

    I have never identified my self with no nation, race, or religion since my 12 of age. I can clearly say that's the reason people see me as weird or "different", but I can freely say, it never bothered me.

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    added on 13 Aug, 2020

    Something took over our minds and gave us it's thoughts…

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    added on 15 Aug, 2020

    Non credo sia vero che gli animali non ricordano l'emozione negativa successa. Io ho un cane a cui un umano ha fatto un piccolo dispetto, be` dopo dieci anni quando lo vede gli ringhia e continua fino a che non se ne è andato dalla sua vista.. Questo è quello che succede al mio cane, ma credo che anche ad altri animali succeda, non è vero che gli animali non abbiano emozioni e sentimenti e tutto lo dimostra..

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    added on 15 Aug, 2020

    Those dudes are in over their heads

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    added on 16 Aug, 2020

    The Human mind is illogical and too egotistical when it comes to what others may think or say of us. Their comment will be hurtful even if it may not be true. We are too emotional. We can't handle the truth. We can't even handle what is not true.

    Shouldn't we be laughing at them if they're wrong? If it's true then we should be thanking them for correcting us.

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    added on 24 Aug, 2020

    Who wants to watch a prog. like this with 4 men and no women. Not I…!!

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    added on 24 Aug, 2020

    This is the deepest point I have reached on YouTube. WOW!!!

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    added on 27 Aug, 2020

    I just listened to the words at 4:02 "memory produces fear, anger etc."
    well, this is wrong: the EGO produces fear and the like … not the memory
    HOWEVER ONLY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW ABSOLUTELY DISCUSS AND DISCUSS … those who have the all-penetrating-wisdom-power or omniscience
    do not need to discuss … he knows in front of him are only academics not capable of going beyond their thinking
    when academics discuss they feel the are some precious … like I think therefore I am

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    added on 28 Aug, 2020

    You have to have unique uniqueness in order to truly be uniquely unique.

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    added on 29 Aug, 2020

    Rupert Sheldrake was quite feisty 😀 David Bohm is so self-effacing for one of the world's greatest theoretical physicists. The psychologist seems to honestly want to understand. JK always relevant. Great video.

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    added on 4 Sep, 2020

    A great talker. But talking does not take you anywhere. Why did he accept the comment or did not disagree when the interviewer says jk as a religious philosopher. He says no religion , nothing nothing and just don’t care the Mahatmans. I don’t know just asked as I too am a seeker. Other religions says believe and then study but upanishad says study and then believe and I like upanishads

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